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87.205.200.231: /* Not English nor German */

2019-12-14T11:05:17Z

‎Not English nor German

Narga: /* Upper/Lower case characters are the same one */ Fixed a mistake in the use of the book of woo glyphs

2018-06-26T22:30:18Z

‎Upper/Lower case characters are the same one: Fixed a mistake in the use of the book of woo glyphs

Qwertystop: /* Toki Pona and Potbelly Hill */

2018-06-26T01:00:01Z

‎Toki Pona and Potbelly Hill

Cordolf: /* Toki Pona and Potbelly Hill */

2018-06-25T17:29:27Z

‎Toki Pona and Potbelly Hill

Qwertystop: /* Toki Pona */

2018-06-25T00:17:33Z

‎Toki Pona

Qwertystop: /* Toki Pona */

2018-06-25T00:17:00Z

‎Toki Pona

Qwertystop: Evidence of toki pona

2018-06-24T23:50:00Z

Evidence of toki pona

Cordolf: /* Syllabic Nomenclator */

2018-05-11T16:39:25Z

‎Syllabic Nomenclator

Narga: /* Narga */

2018-03-27T21:30:52Z

‎Narga

Narga: /* Satsuoni's discovery of the doubled character set */

2018-03-27T20:57:10Z

‎Satsuoni's discovery of the doubled character set

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	''(nopenopenope... Hmmm... It would make decryption book of woo impossible. Because in this situation of secret Woo language any "word" in book of woo can mean anything Novi want. Novi said decryption is hard but possible if I remember it well. So this theory is wrong, or we don't believe her... And even if this theory is right, following it will not help us, because we can't do anything with text if it's right. So believe it and surrender the decryption, or forget this theory and still work. [[User:Hiperon\|Hiperon]] ([[User talk:Hiperon\|talk]]) 21:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC))''		''(nopenopenope... Hmmm... It would make decryption book of woo impossible. Because in this situation of secret Woo language any "word" in book of woo can mean anything Novi want. Novi said decryption is hard but possible if I remember it well. So this theory is wrong, or we don't believe her... And even if this theory is right, following it will not help us, because we can't do anything with text if it's right. So believe it and surrender the decryption, or forget this theory and still work. [[User:Hiperon\|Hiperon]] ([[User talk:Hiperon\|talk]]) 21:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC))''
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		+	''In the end, '''this theory proved to be correct'''. The text was translated to an artificial language called Toki Pona and was thus indecipherable to anyone not familiar with it. And since only about 1000 people in the world claim to be somehow fluent in it, the riddle can safely be classified as impossible to solve.'' (Anonymous/Sinus 12:04, 14 Dec 2019)''

	====Proofs====		====Proofs====

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 When I saw [[Foogod]] transliteration, I was wondering, if this is just for esier word processing or upper/lower case letters are really the same. Right now I believe '''upper/lower letters are the same'''.
-The reason I'm thinking this way right now, is because every letter can be found in at least one pair of word and mirror word like lUOYPJ and Luoypj (<span class="WooFont">lUOYPJ]] and <span class="WooFont">Luoypj]]). I think, it's impossible, or really hard to get (and i don't believe Novi was working so hard just too fool us with this) this result with two different "alphabets", one with lower case letters and second with upper case letters.
+The reason I'm thinking this way right now, is because every letter can be found in at least one pair of word and mirror word like lUOYPJ and Luoypj (<span class="WooFont">lUOYPJ</span> and <span class="WooFont">Luoypj</span>). I think, it's impossible, or really hard to get (and i don't believe Novi was working so hard just too fool us with this) this result with two different "alphabets", one with lower case letters and second with upper case letters.
 If you see how it could be done by chance or with some easy Novi work, please tell here, it may be important.

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	[[User:Cordolf\|Cordolf]] ([[User talk:Cordolf\|talk]]) 19:29, 25 June 2018 (CEST) "nena'pi insa suli" - protuberance of big stomach --> big belly hill. Shows up on page 3.		[[User:Cordolf\|Cordolf]] ([[User talk:Cordolf\|talk]]) 19:29, 25 June 2018 (CEST) "nena'pi insa suli" - protuberance of big stomach --> big belly hill. Shows up on page 3.
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		+	[[User:Qwertystop\|Qwertystop]] ([[User talk:Qwertystop\|talk]]) 03:00, 26 June 2018 (CEST) Ah. Yeah, I suppose "insa" does work better than "sinpin" here, good catch. Though the single-quote isn't a part of toki pona as such; I don't know if it has meaning in other sections of the text, but it looks from that like it might just be an alternate space?

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	Does that help in the search? I don't know much about this sort of deciphering, but I do know at least a little toki pona. [[User:Qwertystop\|Qwertystop]] ([[User talk:Qwertystop\|talk]]) 02:17, 25 June 2018 (CEST)		Does that help in the search? I don't know much about this sort of deciphering, but I do know at least a little toki pona. [[User:Qwertystop\|Qwertystop]] ([[User talk:Qwertystop\|talk]]) 02:17, 25 June 2018 (CEST)
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		+	[[User:Cordolf\|Cordolf]] ([[User talk:Cordolf\|talk]]) 19:29, 25 June 2018 (CEST) "nena'pi insa suli" - protuberance of big stomach --> big belly hill. Shows up on page 3.

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 === Toki Pona ===
-The newest strip gives a clue, Woo saying "mi tawa". This is in [toki pona|http://tokipona.net/tp/Default.aspx], a conlang with an extremely limited wordlist. The language doesn't have capital letters, uses only 15 letters, and all syllables are a consonant (optional if word-initial, required otherwise) followed by a vowel followed by an optional "m" or "n". This seems to closely mirror theories and discoveries about the number of letters used, the consonant-vowel alternation, and other such discoveries.
+The newest strip gives a clue, Woo saying "mi tawa". This is in toki pona (http://tokipona.net/tp/Default.aspx), a conlang with an extremely limited wordlist. The language doesn't have capital letters, uses only 15 letters, and all syllables are a consonant (optional if word-initial, required otherwise) followed by a vowel followed by an optional "m" or "n". This seems to closely mirror theories and discoveries about the number of letters used, the consonant-vowel alternation, and other such discoveries.
 If the specific meaning of the clue matters, "mi tawa" could be translated in a variety of ways – the limited vocabulary makes context important. "mi" is "me", "my", "we", etc. – first-person, both to indicate oneself and as an adjective indicating possession. "tawa" is mostly about motion – "go to", "walk", "move" – but also can be transportation ("tomo tawa" is a kenning for "car", literally a "moving room/house"). It can also indicate purpose, the official wordlist giving "in order to" as one meaning, but that would leave what Woo said as an incomplete sentence. I think the most likely translations would be "I'm leaving"/"Goodbye" or "My journey". [[User:Qwertystop|Qwertystop]] ([[User talk:Qwertystop|talk]]) 02:17, 25 June 2018 (CEST)

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	Here is a Perl script that implements such a cipher, and while I still need to tweak some of the details, I'm getting a frequency distribution that largely resembles the one we see from the Book of Woo cipher.		Here is a Perl script that implements such a cipher, and while I still need to tweak some of the details, I'm getting a frequency distribution that largely resembles the one we see from the Book of Woo cipher.
	[[Media:Cipher-j004-encipher-pl.txt\|Direct Download]] \| [[:File:Cipher-j004-encipher-pl.txt\|Wiki Source]]		[[Media:Cipher-j004-encipher-pl.txt\|Direct Download]] \| [[:File:Cipher-j004-encipher-pl.txt\|Wiki Source]]
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		+	== Qwertystop ==
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		+	=== Toki Pona ===
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		+	The newest strip gives a clue, Woo saying "mi tawa". This is in [toki pona\|http://tokipona.net/tp/Default.aspx], a conlang with an extremely limited wordlist. The language doesn't have capital letters, uses only 15 letters, and all syllables are a consonant followed by a vowel folowed by an optional "m" or "n". This seems to closely mirror theories and discoveries about the number of letters used, the consonant-vowel alternation, and other such discoveries.
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		+	If the specific meaning of the clue matters, "mi tawa" could be translated in a variety of ways – the limited vocabulary makes context important. "mi" is "me", "my", "we", etc. – first-person, both to indicate oneself and as an adjective indicating possession. "tawa" is mostly about motion – "go to", "walk", "move" – but also can be transportation ("tomo tawa" is a kenning for "car", literally a "moving room/house"). It can also indicate purpose, the official wordlist giving "in order to" as one meaning, but that would leave what Woo said as an incomplete sentence. I think the most likely translations would be "I'm leaving"/"Goodbye" or "My journey".

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 Now there remains only the rest of the syllables to identify :-)
 I'd guess that there should be some kind of order to it, maybe connected to the vowel/consonant structure of the words. Otherwise one could identify some of the syllables based on the frequencies with which they appear in the Book of Woo.
 == Jonadab ==

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 === Polynesian Languages ===
-my two cents: the properties of the currently discussed transliterations reminded me of the properties of the polynesian language family (like hawaiian, samoan or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_Nui_language RapaNui]).
+the properties of the currently discussed transliterations reminded me of the properties of the polynesian language family (like hawaiian, samoan or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapa_Nui_language RapaNui]).
-* all words seem to end on one of five characters which people here seem to identify with vocals
+* all words seem to end on one of five characters which people here seem to identify with vowels
 * 14-15 different characters in total
-* consonants and vocals are alternating
+* consonants and vowels are alternating
 * the w/W separator could be identified with the ' (glottal stop character) that most of these languages have
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 I must say that I did not understand how exactly Satsuoni discovered the separation in the character set. I can create a distribution of character pairs. But I fail to see "a clear separation" of two sets. Can anybody explain this in a more comprehensive way at the respective location in this wiki?
 == Jonadab ==

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 === Satsuoni's discovery of the doubled character set ===
-I must say that I did not understand how exactly Satsuoni discovered the separation in the character set. I can create a distribution of character pairs. But I fail to see "a clear separation" of two sets. Can anybody explain this in a more comprehensive way at the respective location in this wiki? What do you think was from Novil's perspective the reason to implement this? It seems this is the first officially confirmed step of decoding. Do you think it was supposed to be discovered at this point (i.e. the beginning) and provide some hint at the content or else become apparent much later?
+I must say that I did not understand how exactly Satsuoni discovered the separation in the character set. I can create a distribution of character pairs. But I fail to see "a clear separation" of two sets. Can anybody explain this in a more comprehensive way at the respective location in this wiki?
 == Jonadab ==